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The Universe has guzzled its way through about 20 per cent of its normal matter, or original fuel reserves, according to findings from a survey of the nearby Universe by an international team of astronomers involving researchers at The Australian National University.

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The survey, to be released at the General Assembly of the International Astronomical Union in Prague today, revealed that about 20 per cent of the normal matter or fuel that was produced by the Big Bang 14 billion years ago is now in stars, a further 0.1 per cent lies in dust expelled from massive stars (and from which solid structures like the Earth and humans are made), and about 0.01 per cent is in super-massive black holes.

The survey data, which forms a 21st century database called the Millennium Galaxy Catalogue, was gathered from over 100 nights of telescope time in Australia, the Canary Islands and Chile, and contains over ten thousand giant galaxies, each of these containing 10 million to 10 billion stars.

According to the survey leader Dr Simon Driver of St Andrews University, Scotland, the remaining material is almost completely in gaseous form lying both within and between the galaxies, forming a reservoir from which future generations of stars may develop.

“I guess the simplest prognosis is that the Universe will be able to form stars for a further 70 billion years or so after which it will start to go dark," said Dr Driver. “However, unlike our stewardship of the Earth the Universe is definitely tightening its belt with a steady decline in the rate at which new stars are forming."

Dr Alister Graham, an astronomer at The Australian National University who worked on the survey, said that the team of researchers were able determine how much of matter is in the stars through a ‘cosmic stocktake.’

“We needed to measure the stellar mass within a representative volume of the local Universe. This required accurate and complete distance information for all the galaxies of stars that we imaged. This is where the Australian telescopes played a key role," Dr Graham said.

One of the unique aspects of this program was the careful separation of a galaxy's stars into its central bulge component and surrounding disc-like structure. This allowed the researchers to determine that, on average, roughly half of the stars in galaxies reside in discs and the other half in bulges.

“Measuring the concentration of stars in each galaxy's bulge is what enabled us to determine their central super-massive black hole masses," said Dr Graham. “Some of these are up to one million billion times more massive than the Earth. Once we had these masses it was a simple task of summing them up to determine how much of the Universe's matter is locked away in black holes at the centres of galaxies."

Dr Graham said next-generation telescopes such as the Giant Magellan Telescope, currently in production, will enable astronomers to directly measure black hole masses in galaxies ten times further away and thus ten times further back in time. “In effect, we’ll soon be able to observe how galaxies and their black holes evolved into what we see around us today."

Other members of the research team include Paul Allen and Ewan Cameron of The Australian National University, Jochen Liske of the European Southern Observatory, and Roberto De Propris of the Cerro Tololo Inter-American Observatory.

The Millennium Galaxy Catalogue consists of data from the Anglo-Australian Telescope, The Australian National University's 2.3 m telescope at Siding Spring Observatory, the Isaac Newton Telescope and the Telescopio Nazionale Galileo at the Spanish Observatorio del Roque de Los Muchachos of the Instituto de Astrofisica de Canarias, and also from the Gemini and ESO New Technology Telescopes in Chile.

Source: Australian National University
There is a discussion of this news at PhysOrgForum entitled: Big Bang theory is based on false premise..
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On 19-Aug-2006 by Argiod
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The Big Bang theory is based on a false premise perpetrated by the Catholic church and other Christian groups. First off, the Big Bang theory refutes the discovery of black holes. If a black hole has so powerful a gravity field that nothing, not even light, can escape, then all the matter in the universe would never have escaped from the point in space it is said to have originated from. Secondly, the Big Bang theory refutes one of the most basic tenents of physics; that energy can not be created or destroyed, it merely changes form. And matter is just another form of energy at its core. So, if one postulates "Big Bang", one also must accept the possibility of Free Energy devices.
On 19-Aug-2006 by Guest_SED_BB
Need more basic, STANDARD info on stochastic electrodynamics.
BUT what I convinced myself of is, ALL space is filled with Heisenberg close electron and negative energy anti-electron pairs OR negative energy electron and positive energy anti-electron pairs. ISOLATED pairs annihilate within h/E for E=(Plank's constant)/(electron mass times speed of light squared).
The 'negative energy' is needed to eliminate the creation of photons at annihilation and to allow the ZERO energy needed to create the pairs.
These pairs are only separated more than h/E at start of a Big Bang, when enough positive energy electrons happen to be close enough in time and space to annihilate all neighboring negative energy anti-electrons before all e+ are annihilated. Or something like that
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On 19-Aug-2006 by mario
why do idiots reply with unrelated nonsense and force me to do the same. I hate you all.
On 20-Aug-2006 by Costa Del Barto
QUOTE (mario @ Aug 20 2006, 02:03 AM)
why do idiots reply with unrelated nonsense and force me to do the same. I hate you all.

...The BB theory is based on a bunch of premises, none of which need be true. I have yet to meet a sane argument in support of the *cough* theory, but I have come across many an insane argument.

I cannot think of any other "theory of science" for which there is such little actual physical evidence. For instance the redshifts of the galaxies... well there are in fact two possible causes for redshift, 1) gravitation and 2) relative motion. In every single case, for billions of galaxies, it is assumed that 2) relative motion is the only factor to be concerned with.

That is much like knowing full well that a certain disease can be cause by two different strains of virus, say, strain A and strain B, and then treating every last patient who falls sick as though they only have strain B. How that works, how that is a scientific approach, I will never know. It's an assumption made about motions to make the theory work how we'd like it to work, an assumption about hundreds of billions of galaxies at once, an assumption made without any actual evidence!

The BB is BS ph34r.gif
On 20-Aug-2006 by Zephir
QUOTE (Argiod @ Aug 19 2006, 06:00 PM)
The Big Bang theory is based on a false premise perpetrated by the Catholic church and other Christian groups...

The BigBang isn't so big problem, as for example the AWT supplies an exact mechanism of Universe formation. By such hypothesis, even the Universe is formed by such black hole.

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The problem persist in our understanding of the existence concept as such. It seems, our Universe has appeared as a part of some much larger Universe.

A larger Universe - a bigger causality problem... wink.gif