From: Douglas Bock Subject: Re: SKA Simulation Working Group - Aims and Strategies Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:13:20 -0700 Steven, I broadly agree with your plan, but concur with Jan's concerns regarding resources. For example, during the next couple of years ATA people will naturally be concentrating on the ATA itself. Yet the ATA can offer much as a large-N "hardware simulator" on which imaging/beamforming/calibration/RFI techniques can be tried. Compared to current instruments, most of the SKA concepts are "large-N". Ideally we would institutionally commit resources to SKA development specifically. I suggest that the tasks of the SSWG require people with one or several of three basic qualities: a) (proxy?) ability to commit significant resources ($ and other people's hrs) to the project b) combination of scientific/technical interest to understand the problems and a desire to get started c) ability/willingness to expend substantial effort (say, a significant fraction of an FTE) personally People with *all* of these properties will be necessary to achieve our result. Yet I'll speculate that many currently in the group fall mostly into category (b). These people will make significant contributions and have an important coordinating and advisory role. But lots of (c) will be required to get things actually done. I think we run the risk of rather low efficiency and total productivity if each person can spend, say, only an hour or two a week. It would be very useful if people could come to Geraldton with some concrete idea as to what resources can already be committed at their location. A first role of the SSWG will be to let the ISSC know what more is needed. To some extent, proponents of the SKA concepts will naturally have the motivation to support simulations of their concepts. Because resources are not uniform, the degree of effort will vary. We risk a severe mismatch in capabilities, and subsequent choices that either are, or are seen to be, poorly considered. (Naturally this applies to development of entire concepts, not just their simulation). I can offer no easy solution to this. But it should help to be aware of the limitation from the start. One approach would be to collaborate to build/compile simulation tools that are as general as possible, minimizing concept-specific implementations. cheers Douglas